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jivu:
hello, is anybody here?
kranthi:
yes.
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mayankmalik:
from where should we prepare for gk section???
pranav:
read India year book, yojana and kurukshetra mags
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srktugga:
Plz answer even if its not relevant to today's topic.This question is regarding IIFT prep.Is it enuf to go thro last 2 years question papers.Will there be any pattern or type of question that is different from the last 2 years?Some says that IIFT 2008 didnt have any cutoff since it had 6 sections.Is it true?Are there any sectional cutoffs in IIFT?
sai:
Last 2 years pattern would give you an idea of IIFT but that wouldn't be enough. Go through the analysis to find out the pattern of IIFT for last two years. Cutoffs were there last year.
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ams:
I have filled the form of IRMA for PRM and CPDM. Tell me plz,hw is CPDM? Is it worthy of joining this course?
kranthi:
prm is their flagship programme.cpdm ideally suits people with some experience in the sector and sponsored by organisation.
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g_joshi22:
Hello sir,
I am nonplused for the preparation of general awareness such that how should I prepare for this section especially from the agriculture point of view, also is there any imp topics related with quanta and verbal section I should prepare.
Please guide
sai:
All topics are important
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pandu:
sai sir,how to prepare for social concern section in irma.....?and what should be wright approch for irma exam paper for all sections.....
kranthi:
focus on issues like enviornment agriculture gender equality social issues in development. in general awareness handout given to you we have made elaborate mention of these issues.yojana kurukhshetra school text books of 8 9 10 ncert geography economy are also helpful.keep india year book as reference.since institute of banking personnel conducts the exam go through a few bank po papers.
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nikki:
should we go for calculation based ques if we know it can be done although it is taking time
pranav:
depends on how easy or difficult you find the other questions.
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ams:
I missed the last chat session as I had class. So, i am asking this ques today. Which of these three institute r better and kindly give info about their required percentile: IFMR, IMDR, EMPI?
sai:
IFMR>IMDR>EMPI..IFMR requires 85+ and IMDR around 75
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sri:
where can i get the previous question papers of irma.....
sai:
They are not available anywhere as IRMA has never given them out
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sagar:
hi sir,
pls tell me how to clear the cutoff of gk section ?
sai:
By reading a lot and preparing for the section. There is no short cut formula. You have to read and remember. Yojana, India Year book and the TIME magazine are good sources of material.
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sam:
hello is any body present over here?
pranav:
yes
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nikki:
what is cutoff for ximb rural managmaent prog
kranthi:
37 to 38 percent with sectional cutoffs of 30 in reasoning 35 in quant 30 in english 20 in issues of social concern.{percentages last year data.}
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amit0387:
i score between 81 to 93 percentile mostly in 85-90 bracket. my 10th is 73% and 12th is 79%. which colleges should i aim for??? i belong to obc category.
kk:
Pick 3-4 institutes from IMI, IMT, TAPMI, LBS, NIM, FORE, TAPMI, KJSIMSR, Welingkar, IFMR and look for some back ups institutes if required, after CAT
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mayankmalik:
and what is the sectional cut off in each section....plz tel....m not that strong in english section....what should i do???
pranav:
last year the cutoff in english was 35 marks.
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launchpad:
Hello, Sir/Ma'am, the way IRMA has delineated GK syllabus...It covers everything...what material should we go through??
sai:
Malayali Manorama, Yojana, India YEar book and the TIME magazines
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ishita:
Hi, what strategy do u suggest we use for IRMA papers?
pranav:
already answered. Check transcript
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ams:
Being a non-maharastrian,which one is easier to go in: K j Som or NIRMA? and plz also tell how good is INDIAN INSTITUTE FOR FOREST MANAGEMENT?
sai:
KJSom...IIFM is a very good sectoral B-School but you should apply only if Forest Management appeals to you
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sai:
what will be the cut off in terms of marks for IRMA?
pranav:
the cutoffs depends on the exam paper. irma has sectional cutoffs also
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g_joshi22:
Sir, what is the overall level of IRMA
sai:
Decent level but with an easy paper the cutoffs will also be very high.
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ank:
what is the overall and sectional cut off reqd to make it to XIMB?
pranav:
refer transcript...Already answered
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jayanti:
sai sir,how are quant and verbal ability questions????are the difficulty level same as cat???
sai:
Qs are very easy and a good speed is required top attempt more
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ams:
For the social issues section, I m reffering only Pratiyogita Darpan-The economic Issue, is it sufficient ?
sai:
Also read the India Year book and Yojana
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arun:
sir,generally what is cut off marks for clearing irma....
pranav:
last year the overall cutoff was 40%. the sectional cutoffs were analytical 38 %, QA 38%, english 35% and GK 25%
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pandu:
how the irma paper z different from other exam....?plz tel me how should prepare for all sections....?and what will be the good score in irma to join in prm program.........
kranthi:
last year the cutoff was 40 percent.with 38percent cutoff for reasoning quant 35 percent for english 25 percent for issues of social concern.
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pandu:
how the irma paper z different from other exam....?plz tel me how should prepare for all sections....?and what will be the good score in irma to join in prm program.........
pranav:
irma has a GK section. the other sections (QA, DI and VA) are easier than CAT. last year the cutoff was 40 percent.with 38percent cutoff for reasoning quant 35 percent for english 25 percent for issues of social concern.
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ams:
Can a 60 percentiler in AIMCAT get into IRMA if he does approx 20 ques correctly in GK section?
pranav:
that also depends on how many q's you attempt wrongly. last year the cutoff in gk was 25%
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vikash6169:
sorry to be out of scope of chat,how much percentile in eng for diff, iims,as i m lacking only in english
sai:
All are above 95+
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ams:
So,if Irma people call me for CPDM, should I join it or not?
pranav:
attend the interview, and take the decision at that point of time
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jason_revived:
hello sir, i m around 82-85 %ile in aimcats.do i stand a chance at irma exam
sai:
YES
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abhishek saxena:
sir i came to know that level of quant in IRMA is of bank po level, is that so?
kranthi:
yes.
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sri:
where can i get the previous question papers of irma.....
sai:
refer transcript...Already answered
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ishita:
my aimcat results are turning out to be ranging from 50 to 96 . I don't know what to do and I am starting to panic. I know im a student worth 90 above... so im not able to understand why i am struggling. Is this is good enuf for IRMA?
pranav:
that depends on how well you perform on the exam day. try to analsye why your scores are fluctating so much and strive to be consistent
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a.singh:
sir what type of questions are asked in gk
sai:
Answered
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ishita:
pls do help Sir?
sai:
Whats ur Qs?
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mayankmalik:
last year the cutoff in english was 35 marks out of???
pranav:
35 %
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sam:
sir i am scoring very less in the maths section.....and to cover the entire syllabus of maths details is impossible....if i solve the AIMCAT paper in details..and observe the pattern close....will it be ok
sai:
Without basics you cant do well in the AIMCATs or in CAT. Work on the Basic SMs
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ams:
15 days remaining for IRMA, SO, solving Bank PO papers, Pratiyogita Darpan-economy issue and basic quant of TIME r sufficient for its preparation?
kranthi:
should be provided u already laid the foundation.
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launchpad:
Sir, About last year's papers...where do I find them!!
sai:
Answered
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abhishek saxena:
is pratiyogita darpan last 5-6 issue enough?
sai:
Already answered. Refer to the transcript.
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jason_revived:
sir, wat pckg can one expect from cpdm course?
pranav:
for CPDM, the candidates should be sponsored by organizations like NDDB, Dairy Cooperative Unions like AMUL and Federations like GCMMF and Producer Companies.
The cnadidate can expect to be absorbed by the sponsoring compnay.
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jacksparrow:
sir is IRMA better than IIM-A??
sai:
No IIMA is better than IRMA
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guru:
how many quests irma asks in general?? ideally how many months magazines we should go through for this test?
sai:
200 Qs to be answered in 120 min. Speed is the key to doing well. Go through mags of last 8-10 months
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a.singh:
what was d last yr. cutoff in gk sec.
kranthi:
25 percent.
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ams:
only 40 ques in english and u say cutoff is 35???
kranthi:
35 percent.
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rajiv:
is d material provided by time for general awareness is sufficient for exams like IIFT and IRMA....please suggest some GK material to prepare for IIFT anf SNAP...
sai:
Answered already. refer to chat transcript.
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mayankmalik:
what should we study for the quant section???
sai:
The SMs of TIME are sufficient
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srktugga:
Hi Sai Sir.Plz answer even if its not relevant to today's topic.This question is regarding IIFT prep.Is it enuf to go thro last 2 years question papers.Will there be any pattern or type of question that is different from the last 2 years?Some says that IIFT 2008 didnt have any cutoff since it had 6 sections.Is it true?Are there any sectional cutoffs in IIFT?
sai:
Already answered
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ams:
tell me plz no of ques we should attemp correctly in each section
sai:
That would depend on the Difficulty level of the test
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moni:
Sir how do we prepare fr general awareness fr irma?
sai:
Already answered. Refer to the transcript.
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swarnim:
im n average 80 percentile scorer...i know i cn do much better coz im not able to give my 100% efforts yet...i jus wanto ask is it possible to score around 95 in actual cat wd still i day left..
pranav:
It is possible. Depends on how well you prepare and perform.
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amit:
Sir, how do I prepare for social concern
sai:
Already answered. Refer to the transcript.
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chetan:
HI SAI SIR- what wud be d best strategy to take IRMA
kranthi:
spare 35minutes each to quant di 20 minutes each to verbal gk.10 minute buffer.
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sai:
Sir is there a distinct advantage for people coming with a background in agri?
sai:
NO
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jayanti:
hi...is there any negatie marking for irma exm??
kranthi:
yes.
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nikki:
are gk level of irma iift and snap are of same level
what is diff in their structure
kranthi:
irma tests your knowledge on issues of social concern.iift tests your gk .
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launchpad:
Sir, Please guide on Irma'a logical reasoning section!!
kranthi:
it consists of questions on courses of action asssumptions selection criteria etc.please refer to the omets given.also look at afew bank po reasoning papers.
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jayanti:
hii...hw to get the admit card for irma exm???
pranav:
question already answered. check the transcript
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mayankmalik:
what type of questions come in english section???
kranthi:
analogies antonyms blanks rc etc refer to the omet we have given on irma.
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chetan:
PLS TELL THE OA AND SECTIONAL CUTTOFFS(pc)
kranthi:
40 percent overall last time for irma.38percent for ximb.
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moni:
sir is thr any book from wr we cn get infrmation regardin general awareness fr irma exam?
kranthi:
there is abook on issues of social concern by smarak swain which consists of essays on social issues.
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jayanti:
hw much is the negative marking??
pranav:
There is negative marking for the written test. Weightage for the same can change from time to time.
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ishita:
my aimcat results are turning out to be ranging from 50 to 96 . I don't know what to do and I am starting to panic. I know im a student worth 90 above... so im not able to understand why i am struggling. Is this is good enuf for IRMA?
sai:
IRMA is a different ball game all-together and the AIMCAT percentiles needn't have any bearing on your IRMA performance. Maximize attempts and work on GK to get a call.
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sri:
are time magazines sufficient for cracking the gk section in irma.
thanks in advance.......
sai:
Already answered. Refer to the transcript.
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jason_revived:
sir, it was heard dat dis time irma has received lesser no. of applications,so are the cut offs likely to fall..????
kranthi:
last year there were 15000 applicants.cutoffs will depend on difficuty level of paper and also quality of competetion apart from number of applicants.
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icantlose:
little bit out of the topic, but i just want to know why Great lakes is not there in the list of top 90 bschools in india by TIME. Last year they were in A category... please reply...
sai:
The 1 year programs have been excluded from the rating list.
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sai:
what colleges take IRMA scores
sai:
IRMA, XIMB
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ams:
we hv nt get omet papers for irma,wen wl we get it?
sai:
Please contact your local TIME office
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jayanti:
hw to get irma admit card??
pranav:
Applicant will receive the admit card latest by the Last week of October 2009. Admit card will also available on IRMA website during first week of November 2009. If you have not received your admit card before the exam date then you can download your admit card from website and same can be used for the written examination.
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sai:
what about placements for the flagship course sir
pranav:
the average sal for 2007-09 batch was 4.62 lakhs. the minimum was 1.8 and the maximum 7 lakhs
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kits:
i gt 50-60% at aimcats. do i stand a chance at irma?
kranthi:
work hard .
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kaushal:
sir my aimcat percentile are fluctuating between 46 to 87.5...help me to improve and be consistent
kk:
Cannot give you a specific answer without knowing the details. Please fix up an appointment with the senior faculty at your T.I.M.E centre and meet him with details of your AIm CAT scores so that he can give you specific suggestions
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bhowal:
Having a work-ex of 3+ and salary of 5.0 LPA. Is it good to try for IRMA . My main focus is to get into a B-school this year no matter in any specialization.
kranthi:
the average salary for irma was 6.13 lacs for 2008 and 4.70 lacs for 2009 the highest salary was 7 lacs.that answers the monetary angle in ur question.
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ishita:
my aimcat results are turning out to be ranging from 50 to 96 . I don't know what to do and I am starting to panic. I know im a student worth 90 above... so im not able to understand why i am struggling. Is this is good enuf for IRMA?
Pls do answer my question.
kranthi:
there are 120 seats in irma and around 15000 applied last year.if u have the potential to touch 90 in aimcats u have the chance definitely provided u clear the cutoffs.
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aspire:
the year book by Competition Success , that good?
sai:
For the GA/GK section read the following:
Yojana, Pratyogita Darpan, Social isues of india by smarak swain; India year book and TIME magazines.
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moni:
sir,wch magazine wil u refer fr general awareness fr irma?
kranthi:
yojana kurukhstra time magazine regular reading of newspaper.india yearbook manorama ncert school social studies books on geography economy and time omets.
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ams:
plz tell me sir, hw mch approx percentile is required for K J Som and IIFM,Bhopal? Is forest management is good for career? Thanks in advance
kk:
KJSIMSR - 91/92 percentile. IIFM - 80+.Variety of placements on offer at IIFM depending on your interest
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guru:
sir,do irma ask only rural gk or general things like awards etc?? do Competition success review help ??
kranthi:
refer to chat transcript.
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ams:
Without any work exp,is it worthy to opt for CPDM? What sud be the avg package here?
pranav:
for cpdm, you have to sponsored by a diary organization.
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bhowal:
Having a work-ex of 3+ and salary of 5.0 LPA. Is it good to try for IRMA ? My main focus is to get into a B-school this year no matter in any specialization.
kk:
If you are celar about what IRMA offers and your interest matches with it, then no problem
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guru:
do irma provide the paper home so that we can check the score that day itself for applying to xim-b??
kranthi:
no paper is not given home.
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mayankmalik:
when is the special session for irma???....i have registered bt i didnt recieved any msg till nw
sai:
Please contact your local TIME centre
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debjit:
gd evng.. i'm posting this coz i missd my last chat session... sir, my scores are around 75-80 percentile in AIMCATS with a couple of scores of 90 and 91 respectively..i mock cats i've scored 131, 97, 83 and 118 respectively in the first four.. should i apply to IMT, MDI , NITIE ? pls help...
kk:
You should apply to IMT and IMI. May be BIM too
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sri:
I have applied both prm and cpdm courses in irma.but i heard that only candidates with work-ex will be considered for cpdm.IS that true??
pranav:
cpdm candidates have to be sponsored by a diary organization
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jason_revived:
sir, around wat time wil the written test result of irma be out..?
kranthi:
please refer to the faq s they have put up on site.they have given complete admissions schedule.
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vishal:
what should be the approach for IRMA?
kk:
Can you be specific pls
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kaushal:
it seems my time is getting wasted,i cannot c my questions ne wer...!!!
sai:
Refresh the screen and you will be able o see the Qs and asnwers
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sbk:
will gk questions be difficult in irma what will be sectional percentile required for gk
kranthi:
last year the cutoff was 25 percent .
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moni:
sir hw to prepare fr verbal ability section fr irma?is it tough?
pranav:
its easier than the CAT verbal section
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jayanti:
does irma rank among 10 good mba col in india???
sai:
It is one of the Top 10 sectoral programs in India. It will be in the top 60-70 institutes in India
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vishal:
WHAT SHOULD BE MINIMUM ATTEMPT TO CRACK IRMA?
sai:
Around 60% of Qs with 80% accuracy
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sai:
Sir is there a way to know the exact centre of the IRMA exam before the admit card comes?
sai:
NO
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bhowal:
aprox. how many students are called for GD PI fr IRMA
pranav:
last year around 340 students were called
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chetan:
wht wud be the scope of rural management,2 yrs from now
why IRMA can't fetch attractive salaries
sai:
Rural Mgmt gives a good career path and decent salaries in the range of 5-6 lacs per annum at the starting level
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gryffindor:
sir if i fill ximb-rural management, and want to apply through xat score ....what was the last yr cutoff for this course in ximb through xat percentile?
sai:
70.79%ile overall with 45.43 in QA, 50.59 in English and 42.07 in Reasoning/DI
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ams:
I haven't been sponsored frm any company,i am a complete fresher.So, will IRMA call me for CPDM? How good is it for me to join?
sai:
You HAVE to be sponsored by one of NDDB, Dairy Cooperative Unions like AMUL and Federations like GCMMF and Producer Companies for Dairy Management Services
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sai:
i m getting 80-85 percentile. Can u suggest 5 colleges to which I have to apply?
kk:
Most of the colleges in this category have their last date of application after the respective exams get over. So, no need to rush. You can apply based on how you feel you performed. In this category, you have colleges like Welingkar, IFMR, IISWBM, IMT Nagpur
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nick:
What is d suggested time allocation strategy?
kranthi:
20 minutes each for verbal and gk 35 minutes each for quant reasoning.10 minute buffer.
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sudhir sharma:
Hi! sir
Sorry to ask a out of topic question
Sir getting 98-99 %ile is IMI & IMT worth filling.
Also confused where Apply Jamna Lal Bajaj for CAT basis as i am not giving MAT & a TIME faculity told me that JBIMS doesn't differentiate between CAT & MAT score it's very difficult to get admission on Basis of CAT score you have t score 99+ in CAT for that & its easier to get that in CAT
sai:
JBIMS takes MH-CET and MAT scores. It doesnt take CAT scores. Applt to IMI and IMT.
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jayanti:
vil v get good placements..or only agricultural based company vil cu for rec?
kranthi:
only certain organisations come for recruitment last year the national dairy development board and gcmmf{amul}were the biggest recruiters.
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sbk:
where can we get past irma papers
pranav:
They are not available anywhere as IRMA has never given them out
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gaurav:
sir,where can i get the reading material rearding issues of social concern
kranthi:
yojana kurukhshetra pratyogita darpan social isues of india by smarak swain india year book time material.
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manbag07:
how long does it take to flourish after one has passed out
pranav:
depends on what you define as flourish and how hard are you willing to work
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alok:
good eve.sir\madam i want's to know is there any negative marking in IRMA exam.
kranthi:
yes.
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sudhir sharma:
Hi! sir Sorry to ask a out of topic question Sir getting 98-99 %ile is IMI & IMT worth filling. Also confused where Apply Jamna Lal Bajaj for CAT basis as i am not giving MAT & a TIME faculity told me that JBIMS doesn't differentiate between CAT & MAT score it's very difficult to get admission on Basis of CAT score you have to score 99+ in CAT for that & its easier to get that in MAT than CAT
kk:
IMI and IMT (or at least one of them) can be used as back up options. OMS category students would need a 999.5+ percentile in Feb MAT for JBIMS
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sh:
In IRMA, what will be the difficulty level of the questions. Will they be like CAT or slightly easy
kk:
Much easier, Check out the pattern papers with T.I.M.E and the analysis of past papers on your student page
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jayanti:
vil v get good placements..or only agricultural based company vil cu for rec?
pranav:
companies like ICICI and IOC too visit IRMA campus.the exact placement will depend on how well you perform in the course.
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sudhir sharma:
Getting 98 -99 %ile & scored 97+%ile in AIM SANP should I invest 4000 bugs for SNAP & SIBM
kk:
Depends on what you level of institutes you are targeting. In case (god forbid..) if CAT does not work out as per your expectations, would you look for alternatives or would you try again?
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cat10:
Sir what all colleges should i apply if my AIMCAT'S %tile ranges between 75-80 ?????
kk:
Almost all the colleges in this category have their last date of application after the respective exams get over. So, no need to rush. You can apply based on how you feel you performed.
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sudhir sharma:
Sir what all colleges should i apply if my AIMCAT'S %tile ranges between 98-99 ?????
kk:
MDI, NITIE, SP Jain. Back up options are BIM, IMI, IMT
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ams:
i didnt understand,plz tell me clearly,whether I am eligible r nt fr CPDM as m a complete fresher? Hw can I get sponsored?
sai:
NO. You are not eligible. You have to be working in one of NDDB, Dairy Cooperative Unions like AMUL and Federations like GCMMF and Producer Companies for Dairy Management Services.
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sbk:
i am a 80 perecentiler(average) in aimcat(most) with aberrations of 90's 95's and also two 60's ..how good is my chance at irma..what other b'schools should i be looking at..?do i have any chance of IIMs
kk:
Good chance with IRMA if you can work on issues of scocial concern
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raju:
hi sirs if a person is having less percentiles like 20-30% does it mean he cannot crack irma?
kk:
Honestly, your AIM CAT scores are more areflection of the strategies that you are adopting (or rather not adopting) in AIM CATs. If you understand the CAT game well, you can manage a much higher score without too much effort. IRMA is easier and you can look at this test in a more relaxed manner as compared to CAT
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sourabh:
Sir, what are the actual cut offs for the Irma paper?
kranthi:
reasoning 38 percent quant 38 percent verbal 35 percent gk 25 percent.overall 40 percent.
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pranshu:
is survey of agricultural india a good book for gk
kk:
Yes, for IRMA.
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nitish:
should a person do job first or should go for MBA straight away
pranav:
there is no generic answer. that depends on what your interests.
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jayanti:
can u tell some good colleges for mat???as cat seems very tough to me..
kk:
Alliance, Christ University, Amity, BIMTECH (Pharma & retail Mgmt)...
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sourabh:
What are the cut offs for Gk paper?
Is it necessary to score heavily in tht?
sai:
Around 15 marks
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munesh:
Do we get the recruitments in Private Sector for Rural Management? Or Should we opt for any Government Organizations in India??
pranav:
Yes, you can get the recruitments in Private Sector for Rural Management.
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sh:
For IRMA, is it sufficient if i thorough basics in all the chapters and how will be the difficulty level of verbal
kranthi:
basic level material is sufficient.verbal will not be too difficult.
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pranshu:
how many questions will be a good attempt to qualify for irma in general
kranthi:
over 100 questions with a net score of 80 plus.
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ankit:
are admissions in jbims, mumbai and nitie , mumbai through cet maha??
kk:
NITIE comes under CAT. JBIMS is through Maha-CET. OMS candidates have a chance with 99.5+ in CAT/MAT/ATMA
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sh:
Regarding MAT, which one is worth writing- December or February.
kk:
December MAT has a slight early bird advantage. Both are good options since most of the B schools under MAT would look at both scores.
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nitish:
what is the prcedure of entering ISB.
is it a good institute what compared with iims,xlri or fms
kk:
Next application deadline based on GMAT is 1st Dec, provided you have 2 + years of work exp. It is a very good B school with quality faculty and infrastructure. Fair comparison would be with the 1 year programs of the IIMs and XLRI where ISB has an edge.
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chetan:
IS THERE ANY CHANCE FOR PUBLIC SECTOR...AFTER PRM FROM IRMA
kk:
Very much
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ams:
I am not eligible for CPDM,but I hv applied for it. Cannot I turn it into fellowship program nw?
kranthi:
fellow ship is definetely not for people who do not know whether to apply for it or not.
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sourabh:
What can be the maximum damage that can be caused to me being a fresher ( 2008 passout) without worj experience?
kk:
No damage provided your performance in the exam (IRMA/CAT) is excellent. For example, IIM A and C did not give weightage to work exp for offering calls under CAT 2008
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